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How do you create creativity? with Wade Jackson – Episode 36

3 top tips from Wade Jackson

1. Find your purpose and passion

It comes down to, how do you want to contribute? And also, what excites you? What are you enthusiastic about? If you can figure out what it is you’re enthusiastic about, then you’re playing in that ballpark of your purpose and passion. But I think in Western society, we’ve overblown the word purpose and made it too big. There’s different ways you can contribute, you can contribute through through your work. Or you can contribute in the community in different ways. So what is it that feeds the soul? Jolt Challenge manual was a process of helping you discover it.

2. Have a plan

There’s a Chinese proverb, ‘There are many moons of the mountain, but only one moon to be seen from at Summit.’ So you may have a plan, but don’t be rigid. You might be shifting paths. You might get to the same goal, but how do you get there will be different. Have a plan that you hold loosely.

3. Persevere

Just keep going. There’s a lot of noise out there like social media. I mean, I see some of the statistics around what it does to mental health and well being. Just ignore the noise and don’t play that game. Play your own game.

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Wade Jackson, Debra Chantry-Taylor

Debra Chantry-Taylor  00:12

Welcome to another episode of Better Business, Better Life. I’m your host, Debra Chantry-Taylor. I’m passionate about helping entrepreneurs and their leadership teams get what they want out of business and life. On the show, I invite successful business owners and expert speakers to share their successes. They are open and honest about the highs and lows of business and also life as a business owner. We want to share those learnings with you to inspire you, but also to help you avoid some of the common mistakes. My hope is that you take something from each of these short episodes that you can put into action to help you get what you want. Not only out of your business, but also your life. So good morning, and welcome to another episode of Better Business, Better Life. Today I’m here with Wade Jackson, who is the founder of the Covert theatre, and also Sexy Monkey Pants at Inspired Learning. That has to be the most inventive title I’ve had on this show. But welcome, Wade, thank you. Good to have you here. So you’re going to tell us all about your story of your life, the universe and everything. But let’s get started with a personal and professional best.

Wade Jackson  01:13

First of all, a personal best. Well, that would be my children, almost 15 year old daughter and 12 year old son so they’re kind of my light. Yep. Light and Love of the world. Yeah, perfect and professionally, professionally would be opening a second improv theatre and surviving a global pandemic. We’re just talking about that moment ago. Yeah.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  01:37

So tell us about the Covert Theatre. Tell me the little story, well the big story, behind the Covert Theatre.

Wade Jackson  01:42

Well, this is actually the second version of the Covert Theatre. I had built the first one in 2001 on K Road. And that was from touring internationally and seeing other, especially in the States, seeing improv theatres and going well, you can have your own venue. And so I was unemployed at the time. So I had time on my hands and borrowed some money and built a theatre, and then was the head there for four years. And then I got, I was getting drawn more into the corporate world was getting a bit tired of being the poor, starving actor. And when I closed it down, 2005 I thought, well, one day I will open it up again. And that one day was 2020. Not the greatest year to open a live entertainment venue. But

Debra Chantry-Taylor  02:22

Yeah so you’re on the corner from us at home, you literally just opened the doors as the

Wade Jackson  02:27

Actually we couldn’t open, we were going to open in March and then the lockdown happened and so we didn’t get to open because we’re almost finished building we didn’t open until the end of June. And then of course we’ve probably been, haven’t done the maths but probably about equal measure of open and lockdown closed here.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  02:44

Fair enough. So what why Covert Theatre? What, what sort of

Wade Jackson  02:48

Cause improv is such a beautiful art form it’s been very good to me, both professionally and personally. And my whole idea is it’s kind of modelled on a place in Chicago called Secret City. It’s about how do I breed, have a home for, creative Kiwi talent. It’s basically a breeding ground. So it’s not a venue for hire. It’s, we have like over 100 members, people come in, we have a Junior Programme, school holiday programme, and people learn the life lessons that come from improv, and they take it into their personal lives and on stage as well. So yeah, so it’s a breeding ground for talent.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  03:18

Fair enough. This is not your first business is it?

Wade Jackson  03:20

It was my first one originally, and then I paused it to get into the corporate world, which has ended up being Inspired Learning. And then kind of had my breakthrough moment back in 2015. Where I was I was growing that business globally. We had David Covey, the son of Stephen Covey, from Seven Habits, and he was a global distributor growing that business and I was travelling around the world. You know, sleeping in hotels, live on aeroplane, aeroplane foods and away from family, not very happy but growing the business and just had a moment where I was like, What am I doing? I was like 15 kilos, overweight, wasn’t doing the performance side of things and wasn’t very happy. And so made a decision to make some big changes in my life and get back into the theatre more. So now I have a much better balance of doing the corporate training and speaking and facilitation and also the improv performance.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  03:51

And what was it the straw that broke the camel’s back? Like you know, you say you woke up one day 15 kgs overweight and go what am I doing but what was the final thing?

Wade Jackson  04:22

I was actually, we had some time off but we did the, my wife Kay with me, we went to the Hawaiian improv festival and then we took a week off and we went to Maui for a week. I was just kind of sitting on the beach and you know, when you have that space and type of thinking reflect it I feel like you hit a builder syndrome you know, the builder who fixes everybody else’s house, but there I was the high performance coach who was fixing everybody else’s life but not their own. So the hypocrisy and the guilt kind of hit home, I was just kind of like what am I doing? So I know the stuff better than most while I’m doing it, so I just put it into put some changes in place and created some rituals. And yeah, living a much healthier, meaningful life.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  05:04

Yeah. We talked about doing what you love with people you love. And I suppose that’s probably what was missing in all of that, right?

Wade Jackson  05:09

Yeah, yeah, it was just just kind of chasing the wrong, chasing the wrong dream of trying to build a global business and go for global domination, all that kind of stuff. You know, it wasn’t really what I was really into. Yeah. Okay. You’re up in the hype of what you should be doing in business

Debra Chantry-Taylor  05:24

and what people say you should be doing as well. Yeah, yeah, completely agree. Okay, cool. So we’re back to the Covert number two, and obviously opening just as the pandemic or about opened as the pandemic hits. Talk us through that a little bit of that story and how it’s gone.

Wade Jackson  05:36

Well, the essence of comedy is timing and boy that I nail it. Yeah, so that’s been, that has been fantastic. I said rapid growth. We’ve just got so many people coming in, like our workshops on I’ve subscribed to double stream them. We’ve got, we had a full school holiday programme, that last one we ran, we are able to offer some scholarships to disadvantaged kids in West Auckland. And so we’re just doing more of that. So yeah, it’s really just growing. Again, the heart of the essence of improv, it’s about connection. Yeah. And I think that the lockdown pandemic has shown us how important that is, to us as a species. And improv is such a fun way to, to learn about yourself because you learn through play. And it’s a really, it’s a genuine form of play, a lot of adult play is all very competitive based in sports and so forth. Whereas this with, when you do improv, there is no, there is no other answer. We’re all live on a level playing field. So it’s a fantastic bit of a way of learning about yourself. And being able to self create, self discover, self express. And so you do this work, obviously, with the people who are part of the team there. But you also do it with other people. Outside of that, of course, we have community we have we have those who come to our community workshops, so anyone can come and do as long as you’re 18 years of age, we have other programmes for our younger, younger members. But if you’re over 18, anyone can come in and do improv  101. Yeah. And then if they enjoy that, they can apply for 201. But that means you know, wanting to get on stage, or a lot of people just come in and just get the lessons from the 101.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  07:05

So what do you get out of it? What are the lessons you can learn from a 101?

Wade Jackson  07:09

I mean, we’ve had people we’ve had people who have even gone off their antidepressant medication from coming and doing the improv. We’ve had people who’ve been chronically shy, we’ve had one person, she ended up joining the theatre, she had a social anxiety disorder. So she was someone who didn’t like anyone looking at her or anything like that. And she ended up you know, just having that confidence and feeling safe. I think that’s a real important part of what we do is create a real safe environment for people where failure is just as okay, it’s part of the learning process. So I think it depends on what you you will get out what you need from the course so many people have different things that they will need, you know, people have imposter syndrome or think they got to be, you know, prepared for everything in life. And it gives you the courage to be yourself as well. I think this was what it’s done for me. And you get to a point where you know, you can take what you do seriously. But improv teaches you not to take yourself too seriously. It’s a very humbling art form. As soon as you think I’m good at this, boom. You’re doing something else.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  08:02

Yeah. Okay, so 101 is just sort of learning the skills and learning how that can help you. And then 201 is where you actually get up on stage.

Wade Jackson  08:09

At the end of the course, yeah, you get to do, they’re both 10 week courses. At the end of the 20 weeks, you do a show and everyone who goes into, finishes 101 says I cannot do a show in 10 weeks time. I’ve been hearing that for 20 odd years now. So it’s like yes, you can and you’ll be fabulous. And they are. Yeah, we’ve got the, we call it Improv Rookie Night. We’ve got that on next week and it’s sold out, which is great. And so yeah, so everyone, and then there’s a 301 which is more because it’s different kind of styles of improv too. People think it’s just like, Who’s line is that anyway? But that’s really improv stand up. How fast can you be funny, right? Whereas we do much more of a narrative storytelling based. So we’ll have we have some we call that short form, we play improv games. And then you have long form, which is more of the improv scenes. And then you have narrative forms like the improv plays. So, for example, we have a show Instant Broadway, which is an hour long, improvised musical from start to finish. Really, yeah. Bard’s Tale is an improvised Shakespeare play. Full costume, but it’s a play, but it’s just unscripted. It’s all done in the style of Shakespeare, we would put Stuart one of Zealand’s top Shakespeare directors for a long time, making sure that it looks and sounds like Shakespeare. Yep. But it’s a lot more fun.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  09:21

Okay. Excellent. And so how does this tie in with what you do in the corporate world?

Wade Jackson  09:27

Well, I guess Yeah. So into the corporate world, I’m taking the principles of improv into that, but have aligned them to business needs. So and I also have a health science background as well. So I’m kind of mixing all my different backgrounds there. I’m not doing straight improv in the corporate world, but use some of the exercises to reflect human behaviour. So it kind of the improv exercises, they they act like a mirror, they reflect you back at yourself. And that’s how you can develop your self awareness. So, so do the leadership work self leadership, resilience, creativity and also the storytelling communication. Okay, so the storytelling communication, obviously, it’s based on my time on the stage, understanding how we’re how to make what makes good stories. And so that is a direct translation into a skill building process. So I’ve written a book on that.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  10:16

You’ve written a few books haven’t you, you’ve got the Jolt Challenge. Tell us a little about that.

Wade Jackson  10:20

So that’s all around that was about three and a half years, which actually, there’s a book and a workbook. So the whole thing took five years of research and development. And that was, that was picked up by like the Singapore military they had been a leadership consultant to them. Where they, they said, was like the best programme around self awareness on the market, because one of the hardest things to develop is self awareness. Yeah, and it’s kind of a, it’s a deep dive into oneself. So it was done, like a bootcamp a 10 week programme. So you can, you can just work through it yourself. And in fact, I got a message that during the last lockdown, how it actually saved someone’s life, feeling very depressed and looking at taking themselves out of the picture. And they went back and went through the job programme, and it helped them gain some clarity and some focus and yeah, so very, very humbling. So that’s the Jolt.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  11:07

And that’s still around? The workbook, and

Wade Jackson  11:10

Yes, yes and I do one on one coaching, I take you through it one on one, run groups as well. And there’s also, I’ve kind of scaled it down into a two day programme as well. So for organisations that like, rather don’t do the 10 week challenge, they can do a two day version. And that’s all around your beliefs and value systems and how you talk to yourself and kind of future sitting here. You’re gonna sit, you know, live your life and intention and goal setting, all that kind of stuff. That’s the job programme. Yeah, there’s mind dojo, we have an app for that as well. 

Debra Chantry-Taylor  11:39

That’s all around resilience. Right?

Wade Jackson  11:40

Yeah. So that programme is based a lot of my health science, but also, again, a lot of the improv is in there as well. And then there’s creativity. And it’s more kind of bespoke. So I work with companies who are doing human centred design, going Agile, things like that. And I kind of give them how to, because you can have all the tools in the world. But if you haven’t built the creative culture, yet, it’s just not going to happen. So people just won’t use the tools. So I go in and work with companies around helping them create, set the right environment for creativity and innovation to actually flourish as well.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  12:16

And what would be the kind of the basis of that? What does, how does one create creativity?

Wade Jackson  12:20

Well, there are some myths you have to destroy. I think people think that creativity is a solo pursuit, like I, you have creativity don’t have it, you are creative. So it’s a verb, much more than a noun. So you have to be creative. So you’ve got to do things that are creative, but you have to have a safe and non judgmental environment to do it. Otherwise, you know, if you put your hand in the fire once you get burnt out won’t do that again. Yeah, you just won’t do it and, and creativity in brainstorm sessions or idea generation sessions. So it’s not a it’s not a solo pursuit, it’s a group activity. So it’s all about how do you help people work collaboratively? So one of the one of the tools and improv which is used and was over at Stanford University, they use it in the D school over there is the Yes And tool. So how because in fact, that’s the name of the trust that runs the theatres, the Yes And trust. So that is simply saying, How do I say yes, so how do I affirm you, and accept what you’re saying? And then the and part is the generative part, how do I build on what you’re doing? Rather than saying no, but or classic Kiwi, the passive aggressive, Kiwi will go yes, but. As soon as you say but, you negate everything said before. So the Yes And is a really simple tool that you can teach people to help create a safe environment and generate ideas. Yep.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  13:41

Yeah. Interesting. The whole passive aggressive Kiwi thing, it really is a thing, isn’t it?

Wade Jackson  13:45

Yeah no, yeah. We can’t even say, no.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  13:50

Does it come from you think because I’m British. And I know there was an element of British in there, but we’re a little bit more direct.

Wade Jackson  13:56

Yeah, I just think it is a cultural thing. It’s kind of this the whole two degrees of separation. If I say no to you, you’ll know someone who knows will come back to me. So I kind of hit them a bit, you know, you say no in New Zealand and it’s like, yeah, they’ll say, you know, oh, yeah, that’s really good, probably come back in three months. They’re saying no, they’ll say come back in three months. Whereas in Australia, they’re just like nah.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  14:18

Yeah. So I actually grew up in the UK, worked in Australia for 11 years, then came to New Zealand, and really struggled between the differences. And it was like, just Oh, no, I don’t mind if you say no, I won’t. I might be a little bit upset but I’ll get over it. Yeah.

Wade Jackson  14:30

Yeah, waste my time. Okay, so they’re using the Yes And, and that’s where creativity can actually help to overcome some of that. Yeah, it’s just yeah, it’s just beautiful. People feel the fear especially in the corporate world, a lot of fear, low status and ego all wrapped up in that. So no one wants to be the person who puts out a silly idea and all that kind of stuff. So a lot of organisations, you know, they talk a great game, like I know, we encourage failure and all that kind of stuff, but they don’t. So you need to have a strong culture to allow real creativity to flourish because creativity is the precursor to innovation, you can’t have innovation without creativity. And they’re not the same thing, innovation is a result of a process and the outcome. But if you’re not, if you haven’t got the creative thinking in the first place, which is all about discovery and going into the unknown, then you’re not going to have really good innovation, it’s going to have what you’ve always done before. You know, just like the slight refinements or tweaks, yeah.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  15:20

Okay. It’s interesting, I worked in a large corporate, we did the whole LSI testing. And we got the classic kind of passive aggressive bow tie. And at the time, I was the it was almost the entire leadership team in the organisation, it was fascinating to see how that sort of gets developed and is allowed to flourish in those environments. Yeah. So time to do something different. So what’s your why? Like, why, why? Why does Wade exist? What is he on this planet for?

Wade Jackson  15:43

Well, in my professional life, is to inspire meaningful happiness. I see I go into a lot of corporates, and I see a lot of corporate work or corporate zombies. So people aren’t really switched into what actually excites them what you’re doing. Like, it’s very easy to fall into the trap, I fell into it myself, you know, this is what I’m chasing the wrong dream here. So you got to come back to you know, what is your How do you contribute? And I think people talk about like happiness being the end goal, but I think it’s more around being a bit more meaningful than it hence the inspire meaningful happiness. So how do you contribute? And how do you belong? I think if you can answer those questions, then you got to tap into the video, just liver heaviness as a byproduct of those things. So my thing is to help people get clear in the different ways, whether I’m coaching or facilitating or speaking, for people to get some clarity around.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  16:33

Beautiful. I can see you love it.

Wade Jackson  16:35

Yes, yeah.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  16:36

And you got a new book coming out, right?

Wade Jackson  16:38

Yes, that’s one of the joys of lockdown. Yeah, that’s been sitting my drafts for a long time. So that’s making it easy. I’ve got another one to work on as well. The Mind Dojo book, the book on resilience. So there’s been many years of research. And that’s at a state now where I started started the writing, but Making It Easy is all around, it’s a short, small short book, tips and strategies for those who facilitate the front of the room and just the tricks that I’ve picked up over the last 20, almost 30 years.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  17:06

Nice. And the Mind Dojo thing. So you’ve got the app,

Wade Jackson  17:09

The app is done. Yes, yeah, the programme is running. And it’s been running very successfully. And now yeah, there’s a book coming. Next year on that. Yes. So how, again, and how to live that kind of, yeah, that authentic life, making sure that you’re living the life you want to live?

Debra Chantry-Taylor  17:25

Yeah. And there’s been some tips and things you’ve learned throughout the whole lockdown around,

Wade Jackson  17:30

Because I’m, I perform on stage, but I’m actually more, I do the test I’m an ambivert, you know, so but the thing with improv is, improv teaches you it’s a form of active mindfulness, how to be present in the moment. Because what happens is you got to get to a state that’s taken me decades to get there, but you improvise from awareness rather than from thinking, rather than cognition. So you’re fully present in the moment, because it just goes too fast to be thinking. And so what happened? So it’s taught me to be much more present. So I didn’t hit lockdown at all. I was just, you just deal with what is, you don’t worry about what was or what could be you deal with what’s what, what’s in front of you. And so I was very happy and locked down and I’m very happy now outside of it, too. So yeah, they’re both they’re both good.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  18:17

And so obviously, the Coverts back up and running again now for a second lockdown. 107 days.

Wade Jackson  18:22

Yeah. It’s a big one. We had some others.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  18:24

Well, that’s, of course, yeah. They will affect you as well. Yeah. And so what’s, what’s the plans for the future?

Wade Jackson  18:30

Onwards and upwards. We’ve got a couple of couple of weeks of shows. And then, ironically, we take a break for summer, opening in mid January. And then you’ve got an exciting summer programme all lined up because we had the Fun Sighs Festival, which is actually a comedy play, we went out to anybody in New Zealand could write a short comedy play. Yeah. And we created that we had over 40 submissions, we picked five we’ve got restaging five plays. That was going to be in September, that’s been postponed till January, February. So that’s our first non scripted part that we’re doing at the theatre. But we’ve cast from the theatre, but it’s a new works festival, basically, which is great. Yeah, and then we’ve also got it whatever comedy festival coming up in May. And one of the things we’re also doing is we’ve gone out to different charities, so often charity night, so Wednesday is going to be like our charity night where a lot of other charities have been hit. And so if we offered them, they can have a free show. And you know, we can get the bar proceeds and they can raise money, sell tickets and raise money for that as well. So we want to make the theatre, it’s a friend by Charitable Trust, we want to make it for the community. So that’s kind of one of the plans and one of the things I’ve been interested in is also partnering with talking to Indiana University who do improv for autistic teens. And so we’re looking at running a workshop because I watched a show Love on the Spectrum which was about how you see the things that they need to learn around social skills and connection in a safe environment has just gotten home. Improv does that. So I just did a bit of research found that there’s a faculty in the US who specialises in that. And we’ve connected and looking to bring some of it here as well.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  20:11

Excellent. I meant to ask in the home lockdown. Did that mean that you ended up doing improv virtually? Like, can you do improv virtually?

Wade Jackson  20:19

You can do shows, but I don’t enjoy performing and then watching them. So overseas, there was more more kind of those kind of shows we did some workshops online as for the juniors programme, and it’s not as good obviously. We’re a social species. We like to be with others. And so, but it was better than nothing. Yeah. So

Debra Chantry-Taylor  20:40

I just wanted to do probably other more any more opportunities for you in terms of, you know, taking it beyond? Cameras?

Wade Jackson  20:48

Yeah, well, unfortunately for us, we got declined some Council funding for cameras. So what we wanted to do was after the first lock, then we thought we really need to record shows. Yeah, well, the shows and so if there’s not the lock down, we could then stream them and show it show them but the council Okay, so if anybody out there listening who wants to donate some cameras to the theatre we’d be very happy. Yeah.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  21:15

Perfect. Okay. So we always ask our guests to kind of share some tips for the listeners, they can go away and take some of the inspiration they’ve got from this and put them into action. And you’ve talked about your three P’s, do you want to share a little bit about those?

Wade Jackson  21:27

For me, for me, my guiding thing for a while now is making sure that you have a purpose, your passion. That’s the first piece.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  21:34

So I’m going to ask a few questions. Right. So I mean, how do you go? I’m lucky. I know mine is but a lot of people they, if my husband actually is what I’m not really sure what his purpose is. How do you help find that?

Wade Jackson  21:45

Well, this is where Simon Sinek and I part ways. I think purpose is spelt with a capital P, spelt with a small p. And I think it’s, it’s again, it comes down to how do you contribute? How do you want to contribute? And also what excites you? And what are your theistic about? I think if you can figure out what is it you’re enthusiastic about, then you’re playing in that ballpark of your purpose and passion. But I just think in the western society, we’ve overblown the word purpose and made it too big. Yeah. What excites you to do?

Debra Chantry-Taylor  22:10

And it doesn’t have to be everything for you either, does it? I mean, so Steve has a day job, which he has to be your work either. Yeah.

Wade Jackson  22:15

This is where again, you know, there’s different ways you can contribute, you can contribute through through your work. Absolutely. Yep. Or you can contribute in the community in different ways. So what is it that kind of feeds the soul? Yeah. So that’s how I kind of define it.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  22:30

And are there any tools that people could actually kind of do that you’d recommend?   Yeah. Good.

Wade Jackson  22:36

Yeah. Jolt challenge manual was a process of helping you discover it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Like, yeah, and you’re gonna link to that on to the podcast. Yeah. So I want to make sure that it’s also value aligned, a lot of people set goals, and they don’t really achieve them. Because they don’t value aligned goals. So I think you need clarity around your values, for sure. That’s gonna be important. They kind of go on to get the values and purpose come and go and together for me, and then the next P would be have a plan. But you know, that is a Chinese proverb. You know, there are many moons of the mountain, but only one moon to be seen from at Summit. So you may have a plan, but don’t be rigid. You might be shifting paths, you might get to the same goal. But how do you get there will be different. So have a plan that you hold loosely. And the last one, which I think is a key one? is perseverance. Just keep going. Yes, the guy does that. And another thing I’d also another tip would be there’s a lot of noise out there. I think social media. I mean, I see some of the statistics around what it does help me to health and well being. Just ignore the noise. Yeah, there’s so much noise out there that just don’t don’t play that game. Play your own game. Yeah.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  23:46

Yeah. Easier said than done though, isn’t it?

Wade Jackson  23:48

Yeah. They’re designed to be addictive those things.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  23:49

So you got so personal tips yourself? And I’ve actually taken off the Facebook app off my phone, and I try really hard not to look at things. I can’t actually have any influence over anymore. Yeah.

Wade Jackson  24:00

My phone lives on silent. Yeah, I don’t use it. I wear a watch. Now. I will have an alarm clock. So don’t use it as my clock. Yep. Yep. Because it just keeps drawing you back. Off for weekends. It does actually have an off switch. Yeah, people forget that I can do that. Yeah, just having there’s lots of interruptions, we actually it gets in the Mind Dojo at this time to hold tips around. This is just choose your poison. You don’t have to have all of them. So which ones do you want and be very clear on how you want to use it. So yeah, I have two social media platforms that I’m on. One is Facebook for simply for the theatre. So if you’re not an improviser, we’re not connected. You know, even my mother isn’t on Facebook yet. And the other one is LinkedIn, and it’s purely for my work. And that’s it. And so, I have restricted use around them.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  24:51

Perfect. Great. Okay, any last parting words of wisdom?

Wade Jackson  24:57

Be nice to your mother.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  25:00

If somebody wants to get hold of you, and also another few things in there, right, so we’ve got the job work, but we’ll put a link to that in the actual podcast, the Covert Theatre, is it just the Covert? Is it Covert theatre?

Wade Jackson  25:13

Yes Covert Theatre. That is what it is, workshops and shows. So we do shows Thursday to Sunday. Yep. And workshops Monday to Tuesdays.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  25:23

Perfect. Okay. And if they wanted to come and talk to you, how would they find you. On LinkedIn?

Wade Jackson  25:27

Find me on LinkedIn. Or go to Yep. Or there’s a couple of websites there. 

Debra Chantry-Taylor  25:35

Fantastic. Hey, look, thank you so much for coming in. Really appreciate it. Look forward to talking in soon and seeing that I’m paying to the Shakespeare show.

Wade Jackson  25:43

Oh, great. Yeah thanks for having me.

Debra Chantry-Taylor  25:47

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